Monday, 18 May 2009

Chelsea considering Bojan transfer

Madrid sports tabloid Marca unconfirmedly claims that Chelsea is interested in Barcelona forward and Spanish youth international Bojan Krkic (18).

At the strong recommendation of current Chelsea manager Guus Hiddink, the English Premier League club would be considering to try signing the Catalan striker when the summer transfer window opens.


Read more:
Barcelona speaking with Cech and Buffon
Arsenal interested in Bojan
Chelsea will try to sign Alves this summer

57 comments:

bojan said...

...pep,you have to change my age...

pep said...

:)

You look older!

fcbee said...

Guess he's anyway not yet ready for Chelsea (apart from we not wanting to sell and he not wanting to leave permanently).

Don't know what we should do with him this summer. Another season like this one, probably wouldn't be good for his progress. If Eto'o stays, he could get his chance in january, but don't know if that is enough.

jazzy said...

marca is trying to destabilize anyway possible..its funny..

Ramzi said...

Fcbee, my opinion is well known about bojan. He has nothing to do with eto'o. For him to have a chance, he need to be used more on the flanks. In the box as a striker, with his physical fragility he will get tosted in big games.May be he can do well in the liga against some kind of teams, but he will not be a reliable first option striker. At least in the following 3 years. This 4-3-3 need a special type of strikers, or else Saviola would have stayed as a key player. (Yea Saviola).

I believe in him on the flanks, I think he will be a great player there. So I vote "NO" for selling, and double "NO" for loaning him out"

fcbee said...

I have to say I see him more as a box player, Ramzi. For me, he doesn't have the speed, the strength and/or the dribbling needed on the wing. But he does have the positioning and the killer instinct which can allow him to become a good scorer.

Eto'o is also not the kind of striker you would expect in a 4-3-3 (which in theory at least should be a great header).

Said that, 4-4-2 would probably suit him best, allowing him to play of another striker.

Ramzi said...

http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2009/05/liga-36-mallorca-barcelona-2-1.html

interesting stuff.

Killing instinct and positioning, between Vidic and Ferdinand. Terry and Carvahlo or any Bus brand from Toyota to Ford...nah...

I dont want to talk about Eto'o now. He is getting lot of critic after his last game. So my opinion will sound more a similar reaction. Which is little bit exagerated and unfair if u ask me.

Yet, If he scored a hatric in the CL final, I will put my 5 cents about him, even though it will not be popular in that case;)

fcbee said...

We'll see who will be right, Ramzi... ;) By the way: I'm actually saying he won't be a fixed starter, but if he would become it nonetheless, it will definitely be in the centre.

And what's that link, it leads to the match stuff, don't think that's the right link?

jordy said...

I like bojan but i doubt he'll become e first class striker. he isn't that fast nor strong.. I think accepting an offer around 40m would be a smart move.

Ramzi said...

Eh...I am getting old....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXzXsdZJ5AQ&feature=related

Ramzi said...

40 Million?!!!!!!!!!!!

I will wrap him!!!

It wont even be smart if we accept, jordi. We will be stupid if we reject. Even more stupid than the ones who offer.

noubarca said...

I dont think Raul is a very strong guy

Ramzi said...

@noubarca:

Raul is 10 Cm taller than Bojan. And in his prime he was physically stronger and with better stamina.

But most importantly, Raul best seasons where when he played a second striker behind either a target man (Morientes type) or a striker (Ronaldo type). Bojan can no doubt perform brilliantly in that position.

barca4life said...

why is it barcelona fans dont believe in their players? How many of you were saying Xavi would never make it? Iniesta would never make it, messi would never make it, they are too small. We have somebody that every team in europe is after and we want to sell him. Everybody else can see what we cant. We have produced many great players in recent years from our yth program, why on earth are we so eager to get rid of bojan?

Name one 18 year old in europe that can displace henry etoo messi. Name one. There are none. Name one 17 year old in europe that could score 10 league goals in one of the top 3 leagues (Serie A, La Liga, EPL) Bojan was the only one to do it. Who is the youngest ever scorer in barca history in la liga? Bojan

Who is the youngest ever player to feature in a champions league game for barca. Bojan Who is the first person born in the 1990's to score in the champions league? Bojan. Who broke Raul's (thats right RAUL) record of most goals scored in a debut season. BOJAN.

So take your 40 million pounds now and then line up to buy him back in 5 years time for 100 million. The boy wants to stay at barca, he is giving you every chance to keep him. And you want to discard him. 4th in the golden boy award ahead of pato (5th) and Balotelli (6th) and behind aguero (3rd). But sell him scorn your own talent, every day you look more like madridistas

Anonymous said...

barca4life, my hats off to you

absolutely agreed.

and some ppl here dont have a single clue about the transfermarket either

yea 40m for an 18year old...

not every 18 year old has the athleticism of a 25 year old you know? god i sometimes just wanna slap some of these commentors, how can someone be this stupid

kamikaze kontiki said...

well said barca4life.

Exarch said...

I like Bojan and I thnk we should let the lad develop, both physically and technically. I would love if we had Balotelli, he is excellent in all aspects of the game and he is still so young and he is also quite a physical specimen.

Ramzi said...

Personally, I never said Xavi,Messi, or iniesta will never make it. Neither I say Bojan can never make it. But not as a striker. Thats my objective opinion, now if you want poems I am a poet as well. But thats something different.

No team will pay 40M for any 18 years old player who can go either way. *Cough*Gio*Cough*. In another word, no youth player who is 18 years old worth more than 25M, and thats if we are talking about Mini-Maradona.

Who think other wise has no clue neither about transfer market, nor about football. Period.

Ramzi said...

Just to enhance some people education, so they may become more Civilized in their comments:

Pato(19 years old now), scored 23 goals in the last two seasons for Milan. Milan Paid 22Millions to get him. After proving he has what it takes to be a starter.

Again, thats Milan, not the best teams in the world considering their scoring rate per season.

Now how for God of football sake will anyone pay 40 M for Bojan? Will anyone with an IQ of 2, pick Bojan for 40M over Pato for 22M?

Be humble enough to make opinions, not judgements.

Ramzi said...

oh yea...and Aguero: bought for 20 M.

Amar said...

bojan is a good finisher. he understands the barca style of football. he can play as winger also.

i think he will fit in the super sub role.

i also think he can be a good left winger. he can cut inside and we all know that the boy can shoot.

he should stay at barca. we should stop letting good talent slip away.

i wasnt convinced by him last season. this season i see that he is progressing. with more experience and confidence he will be a barca icon one day.

Anonymous said...

But Pato, Aguero, Higuain, Robinho etc were bought from Brazilian and Argentinian clubs. Alot of Barcelona fans don't want to see Barcelona buy from those clubs, but rather buy players with La Liga experience, like Caceres for 17m euros.

barca4life said...

What about Henrique?

jahjah2001 said...

Bojan should stay and just keep progressing as he is. As he gets older and more experienced he will get the minutes he needs to become a great player. Sell him or loan him out this summer and we will regret it.

Pep, we should have a poll to see what everyone thinks:
Bojan stay....
Bojan loan....
Bojan sell....

pep said...

Good idea, jahjah! We'll have it later this week (if I don't forget it).

Anonymous said...

why are some people complaining about his height. Just a fact: men grow til 21 years old. So we will see bigger bojan soon. :D

Marc4barca said...

nicely said b4l, bojan is the future but i agree with ramzi also that bojan is more suited for the henry role. it's safe to say no one said iniesta, xavi and messi wouldn't make it, they were all stars given the chance to shine in the first team and performed well, messi was behind guily in the pecking order but was still looked at as a great talent, i believe bojan is the same, xavi is small but everyone knows xavi for his passing and iniesta with each passing year became better and better and i have never heard a barca fan say messi, xavi or iniesta won't make it.

Barca nike said...

well said barca4life ur the man

Anonymous said...

What about Henrique? Many Barcelonafans didnt like that signing, it was too risky, just like people argued Hleb was a better option than Arshavin because Hleb had PL experience. See what Caceres' la liga experience and Hleb's PL experience bought us.

hamad_ali said...

hey ramzi , i normally agree with everything u say but i'll have to go with b4l on this one .
for those who say pato is better than bojan , iwant them to consider this " pato scored 22 goals in 40+ apps (as a starter ) while bojan scored 10 goals in 28+ apps (including sub apps , also pato has to compete with inzagi (37) , shevchenko (31 and waaaay past his best ) = absolutly no competition for first team apps , while bojan has to compete with messi (21 and the best player in the world ) eto'o ( best african goal scorer before the recent dip ) and henry ( 31 but a rejuvenated legend scoring 30 goals for us already ) .

so would have pato made it in barcelona i really daopt it , would bojan have made it in milan , absolutly .

and balotelli only made at inter cuz there is no real striker other than ibrahimovic in the team (adriano is finished , crespo is finished , cruz has something left in the tank but won't last long .

in a league where the 3rd best defender is a 40 year old even if he's a legend , 18 year old players will think that their in heaven ( 1st cheleni 2nd zapata 3rd maldini ) , thats why milan got their ass kicked by arsenal ( team avrege of 33 year old players vs players with an avrage of 23 , it's a no brainer ) , in la liga if u humiliate a player by dribbling past him he will hack your feet like a damn tree so that u dont do it again (robben , hleb , MESSI ) , while in italy a defender wouldn't bother to follow u if u get past him cuz he's too old and too slow .

don't get me wrong balotelli and pato are absolute gems but stop saying that bojan is crap compared to them cuz he's up there with them if not better .

sorry if i offended anyone but that's just my opinion .

Anonymous said...

bojan is awesome. his positioning is amazing, and his shots. but he still lacks that finishing factor which i guess he would only get with experience. and yeah he should gain more strength to keep of those rough tackles. hope all the fame doesnt get into his head and people shouldnt expect too much from him no itself. thres time still.

Carrer de Corsega said...

Is hamad_ali suggesting that La Liga is a better defensive league than Serie A?

The discussion of size is irrelevant, in my opinion. It's all about talent. The most talented player ever is shorter than my dick and did more coke than South Florida in the 80's!

Bojan should stay. Patience is an important virtue in player development.

hieifcb said...

B4L, enough said... =D
I think Caceres and Hleb needs time, not evry player can play good in their first season..
look at Henry, first season shitt... this seasonn greatness...
so i think they deserve at least one year chance.
For Guddy, he just dont fit in our system

Anonymous said...

hieifcb: Do you think Caceres was worth 16.5m euros? That is a huge amount of money and one of the highest fees ever paid by a Spanish club for a defender.

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barca4life said...

Seems to me the emotional stream has already gone the other way for Bojan. Many people want him out now. Not good enough for barca they say. Its sad how some barca fans forget so quickly. Etoo scores 29 goals and yet still they doubt.

Bojan comes against almeria they doubt, bojan wins us 3 crucial points against almeria they forget the doubts for 5 mins and then start to doubt once more. he scores in the cup final and we celebrate only to start saying he is not good enough again.

Pep leads us to an extraordinary first half of the season, we 1 game and lost 2 (one by questionable means) and they start to question his selection methods. What is the point?

I'm not saying Bojan will be the greatest striker in the history of football, I'm not even saying he will be a great striker. All i am saying is look at what he has accomplished at such a young age and ask yourself, why do we still doubt?

Havent we wintessed the greatness that is this season? Havent we seen wonders that we never thought possible this year. Have a little faith and maybe just maybe we might witness another great player come through. After all we never had produced a messi until he came. Who is to say that bojan cant be like romario? He is 18, he has a lot of developing to do still. To say he isnt good enough from now when everybody in europe is after him is a bit premature.

Ramzi said...

I didnt recommend selling Bojan. Where did I recommended that? I said "No" and double "No".

I said no one will offer 40 M for him. He doesn't worth 40 M, not for now at least. Neither bojan nor any other player who is that young worth 40M. End of story.

I remember when I mentioned that iniesta can play on the left last summer, same reactions. Now everyone agree, same with the worth of abidal, Pep Guardiolla, Keita(but some still doubt, not for long), and so on. I will be more worried if I have an identical opinion to the common one than opposing it, so no worries. If Bojan can play as a striker better than I think he can perform as a wing, that's our lucky day! Because for me, he is a perfect prospect for the wing.

Henrique was bought for 6 M plus two millions additional clauses. And I believe that's a smart buy.

I wasnt comparing Aguero and Pato quality with Bojan. Regardless of who is better. I am just noting that no other team was welling to pay more than 22M to get any of them, or else they would have sold for more. Taking that in consideration, 40 M is an astronomic prediction.

barca4life said...

Oh btw ramzi, i know you are getting a great deal of "heat" on this issue on this page, but my "rants" werent directed exactly at you. Maybe a little ;), but its not you directly. I had an bit of an unpleasant experience in the chat yesterday with a person that claimed to be bosnian and hated bojan as a result. But this to me has been an issue long before this story appeared. There are fans that doubt bojan, that wanted his head after 45 mins against almeria, that do not want him to stay.

This irritates me, we have produced talent for the whole of europe luis garcia won a champions league with liverpool, sergio garcia, cesc, won euro 2008 along with david guiza who was top scorer Arteta has been wonderful for everton, Motta has done well in italy,luque was good for depor and has done reasonably well throughout his career in europe as has de la pena, not to mention messi xavi iniesta pique valdes. Why are people still doubting?

Anonymous said...

Romario? He is among the top 10 players of all time, mister. He was out of this world. Could Bojan become Romario? Let us take one step at a time.

Anonymous said...

After Gio dos Santos, people should be allowed to doubt. But most importantly, we need to buy players from Argentinian and Brazilian league like Milan, Real Madrid, ManU etc does, instead of thinking that "safe" players with experience from PL or La Liga is always the best option. We can't allow all the big clubs get the best in those leagues why we play it "safe" with Caceres and Hleb.

barca4life said...

I know who romario is i just meant in terms of height and style. Bojan has reportedly scored 1000 yth level goals. That kind of thing suggest that he could be deadly in the box if given the chance. I didnt mean that he could be romario in terms of numbers or talent because romario was very special, i meant he could be similar in style to romario

barca4life said...

Anony when fifa has their way just now all of those players that real madrid man utd and milan buy wont be able to play for them with the 6+5 rule. We have deveoped valdes messi puyol pique cesc guardiola iniesta xavi luis garcia sergio garcia arteta de la pena guiza and many more who have gone on to have good successful careers. This is the way we need to go. Not buying all of our talent from south america.

Anonymous said...

The Caceres and Hleb that we buy from "safe" leagues instead of Pato, Higuain like Milan, Real Madrid does wont be allowed to play either. The point is that we need to get rid of the retarded mentality of buying from socalled "safe" leagues, spending huge amounts for a player like Caceres. The next stupidity would be to buy Adebayor for something like 50m euros, it would be a typical transfer by our transfer staff.

barca4life said...

typical barca fan, look at what we have won with this board. 3 la liga titles 1 champions league 1 copa in 5 years with the possibility of a 2nd champions league and still you complain. How can you complain about our signings when we have won the double and could win the treble. Do you know that there are only 3 places for non-eu citizens in la liga teams? and it takes 5 years to get citizenship in spain. So how exactly do you propose we buy talent from argentina and brazil? and do what with them? loan them out? do you know that in england they grant work permits to players who are non eu nationals and in serie A you are allowed 1 non eu signing per year. No limit of 3 non eu players in those leagues like in spain

Anonymous said...

Isnt it amazing how much comments this article has produced?

Once a bidder who is to be taken seriously (chelsea) people will come out of their shells and start debating.

I think people really like bojan...not only because hes a decent striker but because hes a catalan boy and hes got the humble and modest mentality that is expected of barca players...

Be honest guys, u dont want bojan to go anywhere....

cheers

Marc4barca said...

b4l, some people can't handle pressure going in to big games. at the end of season you should expect this from fans, i think it is a way to release stress before a big game. they doubt cause they want to win, they doubt cause they like barcelona, if they didn't doubt then some might be accused of being cocky and over confident. of course they will ask for bojan to leave but in the end it's not their choice and when he stays and performs then they will say he is great, when that time comes you will breathe a sigh of relief, having said that i understand there are some barca fans with some strong hearts to look past blunders made by players, i'm not shame to say i'm not one of them.i don't harass valdes or bojan though but i do dislike eto, so does that make me a less barca fan than anyone else? when we win we are all on the same side and when we lose we are kind of divided for a while that is how football is with some people, so to solve all this person comes and this goes argument, we will have to win in rome but prepare to hear everyone argue if we lose. b4l is right on the 6+5 rule, time to study our spanish youth and spanish talent aorund the world instead of licking to south america.

good news, henry is guaranteed to play in rome and so is iniesta.

Anonymous said...

Of course we can critize the transfer policy. It is not the transfer policy that gave us the title, it is La Masia. Our transfer policy is very poor. There are plenty of people in Argentina and Brazil with EU passports. Your argument that we can't buy from other countries is not good, we bought the non-EU Hleb, the African Keita, Caceres, a guy from Uruguay who has played one year in Spain. How much did the Spanish club pay for Caceres? 1m euro? And then sell him for 17m one year later to Pep who doesnt like him? Would you be happy with Adebayor as a major signing this summer as well, because he comes from the PL?

barca4life said...

As far as i know we havent bought adebayor and i fact i was one of the most vocal opponents of adebayor coming here. Caceres had a bad first season here so lets go to south america to buy another player who will take a year to settle into la liga. See how much sense that makes.

barca4life said...

Oh and btw etoo is from la masia? Henry is from la masia? Toure is from la masia? Dani Alves is from la masia? Marquez is from la masi? Abidal is from la masia? Did they come from south america?

Hector said...

I gotta pull a bit towards Ramzi's side here. I don't always agree with him but in this case, I guess I kinda do. Firstly, Bojan entices many people because (1) he is from our cantera, (2) is a nice humble kide, and (3) was raised as a Catalan. Our guys will always pull for their Cantera products.

I believe he is a natural 4-4-2 second striker (eg Raul). He has great box instincts but his size (not just height but also strength) makes it almost impossible for him to be a truly effective 9 in our system. Why? We have the ball for most of the time so teams pack the box. You look at less physically gifted but very saavy strikers in today's game like Inzaghi or Owen and they get a LOT of goals by being masters of breaking off-sides traps and counter-attacking football, something we hardly get the chance to do.

As stupid as this may sound, I think he has a WAY to go in terms of toughness and maturity. Why are all great strikers mostly crazy egomaniacs? Because they have to be "crazy", going against the biggest, toughest players on a team in the CB's. You need to be gritty, dirty, and hit back against bigger players especially when you are that smaller. Bojan in that sense is still a bit of a kid. Heck, he cried after not doing well once this season! He is a nice wholesome boy going against what many times are essentially thugs. Compare that with Aguero who at 15 was playing against grown men, grew up playing in barrios, dated TV models, and impregnated Maradona's daughter or Tevez who grew up in a slum so bad they called it Ft. Apache. Those guys are tough and won't get pushed around. Bojan still has some work to do in that area. Hopefully he gets there.

I do however, think he may be good for the Henry supporting striker/left winger role on the flank. I can see Henry's influence on him and that's a good thing. If there is a role for him in our system, that's it because Messi has the right locked down for year's to come and we truly need a bigger more physical player at the 9.

Lets look at facts:
1) He is still VERY young and has a long way to go in terms of development.
2) He is quite small for a 9. ("Yeah, Romario was also small." Well, that's why there is only one Romario, right?) Not just in height, but also in strength. He looks much buffer this season but compare him to a Tevez, Lavezzi, Aguero, or even a Messi. Those guys use their low centers of gravity to their advantage by adding strength and muscle and yes, Bojan can still get stronger he is young. However, none of the aforementioned IMO are natural 9's, but rather natural second strikers.
3) He scores goals. No doubt, he has that goal poacher instinct that can't be taught but his physical frailty at this point in his career prevents him from being a consistent force.


In short, don't sell him but he is not the world beater some are making him out to be either. He is not a super star at this moment.

barca4life said...

And one last thing, for all the south americans milan and madrid have bought what have they won this year? What have they won?

barca4life said...

Hector you make some very good points (except for the part about centre fowards being crazy and aguero dating tv models having anything to do with football). Like you say thought bojan is 18, which 18 year old besides maybe rooney is fully built and ready? I think that 1000 goals at youth level means you have some ability to score and the barca yth teams play the same system as the senior teams as far as i am aware to get the players ready for the first team. Bojan has proven against players his own age that he is a class ahead (see spain u-17 and u-21 and barca yth teams). He has scored 10 goals in his debut season of la liga, nobody else had done that as a 17 year old. In my humble opinion bojan will develop to be our "raul", all of these scouts from man utd arsenal chelsea and around europe see something in him. cant be wrong in my opinion. They must believe in something that they are seeing and laporta has told the boy he is the future, so at the end of the day this convo amongst ourselves doesnt really matter.

Anonymous said...

The point is that Caceres is typical of our transfer policy. Our transfer staff try to play it "safe". He went to La Liga for 1m euro, and then, after one year, we pay 17m euros for him, just because he was socalled "proven" in La Liga. We should definitely do what Milan, Real Madrid and other teams do, get the most promising players for a discount from smaller leagues, including South America, Portugal, France, etc.

Milan and Real Madrid didn't win anything this year, but that is because they don't have La Masia.

barca4life said...

Sigh. any transfer policy that brings us rivaldo ronaldo figo ronaldinho kluivert etoo henry romario i am happy with.

Anonymous said...

Our current transfer staff are not responsible for most of those transfers.

rObReV7 said...

Well, after reading all 55 comments... ive decided to give my opinion... lol! Bojan for me is very much in the style of a Rooney. He will finish chances that come his way, and can also be very effective playing on the left hand side. I think with a bit more muscle and strength, he will be like Henry is now. Definatley dont sell him though, he has a lot of quality and confidence. Pep wouldn't rely on him otherwise, look at Hleb and Caceres. This shows he has confidence in him, and I trues Pep completley!

Ramen said...

Ramzi, I love your idea, but there are teams like Barça, Valencia, AC Milan, and Man U that probably function better without a real #9. Adding a target striker would definitely mix things up offensively though. It's hard to attack one way to every team.

Meanwhile, Bojan is a more complete version of Villa minus the finishing. He has all the footskills and positioning he has, but he adds a passing game that Villa doesn't. Bojan doesn't have the finishing that Villa has, but they're almost 10 years apart. Finishing comes through time. I doubt Raul, Villa, and Torres scored every chance they had when they were 18 years old. I doubt any of the great targetmen at 18 would even be able to keep the ball off the La Liga, etc. CBs effectively. Bojan definitely can't right now. Strength comes with time, also, though. One of Barça's philosophies is patience, and I think all of us should practice it before hastily making an opinion. What am I talking about.. I'm making my opinion about Bojan before seeing what he can do down the road....

Note that Villa is scoring under a 4-5-1/4-3-3 system. That obviously doesn't mean he's the #9 striker under Valencia. If anything, he's like Eto'o and Rooney: they receive the ball deep, then they run into the box, giving themselves space between the midfield and the CBs, unlike a target striker where their backs are on the defensive line. Perhaps Villa, Eto'o, and Rooney are evolving the role of the lone striker in the 4-3-3 system? If that's the case, Bojan will be a superstar. <_<

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